Comments on: doesn't have to hurt

doesn't have to hurt

idiopath — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:48:12 -0800

A loud composition, in 7/4 time, 120 BPM.

It doesn't have to hurt. Composed with a custom PD synth, performed with a midi fader board, mixed collaged and rearranged in ardour. Much more rhythmic than most of my music.

By: dobie

dobie — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:47:26 -0800

And yet it does hurt.

By: micayetoca

micayetoca — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:22:44 -0800

indeed it does. I'm curious if music comes in at some point, but I don't want to press play a third time and hear that screeching noise.

By: chococat

chococat — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:37:45 -0800

It's funny how instinctively I dove for the stop button. Like something was really wrong.
It made me think of when "Enhanced CDs" first came out in the 90's and there was always a DON'T PLAY TRACK 14 IN YOUR CD PLAYER!!! YOU'LL WRECK IT!!! warning.

By: idiopath

idiopath — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:14:33 -0800

I listened to this track many times at a very high volume while tweaking and polishing it, and my speakers and sound card are fine.

If you don't think you heard music in the first 15 seconds, you won't hear any in the rest.

If you don't like this, you will probably want to avoid the other tracks I put on my "bombastic audio" playlist too, it's the harshest stuff I have found in perusing the archives of mefi music.

By: dobie

dobie — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:51:12 -0800

If you don't think you heard music in the first 15 seconds, you won't hear any in the rest.

And the emperor will continue to not wear any clothes.

By: doubtfulpalace

doubtfulpalace — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:33:22 -0800

I like it. Tasty, detailed noise sounds and an engaging variation scheme (something that I wish, say, Merzbow had).

I played it at medium volume, though. My tender middle-aged ears can't take any more than that, and I think I can hear the detail better that way anyway. Also, it sounded way better in speakers than on headphones for some reason.

By: idiopath

idiopath — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:37:12 -0800

dobie:

This is real music. It is the kind of music I listen to. If I wanted to listen to and make music that I didn't actually like, I would pick the sort of music that girls like, because making music that girls like leads to felicitous relations with girls.

By: idiopath

idiopath — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:44:47 -0800

doubtfulpalace:

Thanks for the feedback. Regarding speakers vs. headphones, the sounds are all electronically generated, and I used no reverb, so they are not acoustically in a simulated space. When you play it on your speakers, of course, it will be colored by the room it is played in, and take on a more natural sound.

By: Karlos the Jackal

Karlos the Jackal — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:41:22 -0800

I like the use of the stereo field -- on headphones, it's got this cool nausea-inducing whiplash effect that's pretty impressive.

By: chococat

chococat — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:00:53 -0800

idiopath, I meant no offense by my comment above.
I actually found it quite interesting that I'm so hardwired or conditioned about sound that certain frequencies or tones will cause a sort of mild panic for a few seconds.
It wasn't meant as a flippant dismissal of your work; hopefully you didn't take it that way.

By: micayetoca

micayetoca — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:34:52 -0800

Yeah, me neither, I gotta say, and I would never dismiss something I don't like as "not music", sorry that my comment was so poorly phrased that it came across as saying that. I was listening on headphones and, as Karlos said, on headphones it has a "nausea-inducing whiplash effect". I didn't get to listen enough of it as to recognize a pattern.

So, even if it's not the kind of stuff that I listen to, I'm glad you are here posting. It's a really cool thing to have people with such different approaches to music in one site.

By: umbú

umbú — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:05:48 -0800

I think unpredictably timbre-centered, rather than more predictably pitch-centered approaches to music is legitimate. That said, I think it is interesting how gender often ends up being deployed in their defense.

By: umbú

umbú — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:08:49 -0800

oops, are legitimate.

By: idiopath

idiopath — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:51:05 -0800

umbú:

The whole "music girls like" thing was just a glib response to dobie. It has been a long time since I have gotten the "this isn't music" troll, and sad to say, it still pushes my buttons sometimes. I wrote nine responses to the "emperor has no clothes" comment, finally settling with something less defensive, matching the flippant tone of the accusation.

And micayetoca and chococat, no offense taken.

By: idiopath

idiopath — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:00:37 -0800

Also, doubtfupalace: Masami Akita was a free jazz, hardcore, and prog rock drummer before he started his Merzbow project. He also danced bhuto. If you listen for them, these all show in his work. The rhythms of Merzbow are there, but they tend to be excruciatingly slow, and in very strange meters. In most of Merzbow's work, the density of the sound hides how slow and sparse the spacing of the structural events is. For a more conventionally structured electronic artist using much of the same timbral palate, check out Ryoji Ikeda.

By: dobie

dobie — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:56:55 -0800

I never meant to imply this doesn't belong here.

I feel that this sort of music is so deconstructed as to be like projecting dusty film stock onto a wall and saying "These are the kind of films I like". People may very well like this. I prefer silence to this. Your sequencer settings may say 120 bpm, and you might have 7 quarter notes per bar, but I do not believe that there is any meter here. I have listened to it, repeatedly. Counted to 7 over and over and never found a pattern. Sure you could speed up the settings to display 140bpm, and the composition would play proportionally faster, but it is utterly without measurable meter. Hence my flippant comment.

Technically this IS music as it is made up of "sounds organized in time". It just smacks of goatee-stroaking contrarian obsfucationism. It is so inaccessible that it must be by design. It creates a false dichotemy that shrieks "If you don't understand this then listen to your simple music for girls".

We don't always need to agree on mu-fi.

Obviously we're all souls in rooms trying to wring something out of sound that resembles the whispers inside of us. I have the utmost respect for this process. I'm saying as someone who is passionate about music. I know that idiopath is clearly passionate about his music. I think it is a dead end. Music to be described in theory, but not listened to.

We can agree to disagree.

By: idiopath

idiopath — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:21:19 -0800

dobie: The one thing I dislike most about the noise scene is that women tend to feel unwelcome. I think the credibility of noise would only increase if women were more interested. I made my comment in complete ignorance of what kind of music you listen to, and in ignorance of whether you even make music.

If you have a substantial critique I will happily take that into account. Claiming that what I was doing was a fraud stepped over a line from critique to ad-hominem insult.

Regarding the meter, a majority of the clips are arranged to the start of the measure, with many of them arranged to be on the third or fourth beat. The two most prominent clips are exactly one beat and exactly two beats in duration. For the other clips, the most common duration is exactly one measure. In noise there is often an attempt to not fall into a beat or melody, and avoiding those things to this degree is more difficult than you might imagine. What I was attempting with this piece was a feeling of distinct events rather than an undifferentiated miasma, without falling for too long into a countable meter.

P.S. Funny enough, I also am a fan of Stan Brakhage's films. And if I went to a movie and discovered that it was dusty film stock, I would actually enjoy it.

By: doubtfulpalace

doubtfulpalace — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:35:05 -0800

I'm sure Merzbow has the structures you mention, but they just don't engage me. That's as much down to my taste as anything; in this quasi-genre, I prefer music that uses harshness and noise as one element of many (for example: Thomas Dimuzio, John Bischoff, AMM, Stockhausen). Actually, I'm been moving away from relentlessness and minimalism and toward variety and contrast in my listening (and music-making) in general lately. Part of getting older, I guess.

But I saw Stalker last weekend and it was pretty much the greatest thing ever, so I can still hang with the arts of impoverishment on occasion.

I've heard Ikeda's music, but can't remember how I felt about it.

By: snsranch

snsranch — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:07:02 -0800

It IS funny that this piece is called "doesn't have to hurt" but then it does hurt but only because I wasn't prepped for those freqs.

After a quick and minor volume adjustment, I found this to be pretty damn cool.

I used to have a moog rougue and for being a simple little machine it sure was a hell of a lot of fun! Rock the synth!

By: flapjax at midnite

flapjax at midnite — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 05:12:29 -0800

THIS ISN'T MUSIC!

just kidding

By: nthdegx

nthdegx — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:57:33 -0800

Fucking brilliant. I love it.

By: ba

ba — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:10:20 -0800

I thought my bluetooth headphones were malfunctioning. Yet I continued to listen. Thanks for posting this!

By: quadog

quadog — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:59:08 -0800

While this may not hurt human ears, my dog shat his pants.

By: azarbayejani

azarbayejani — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:28:12 -0800

This is actually a pretty good noise track. Nice work.

By: speicus

speicus — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:10:01 -0800

I liked the hard panning. Antiphonal!

It also sounded pretty good with my girlfriend running the immersion blender in the background.

By: heyho

heyho — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:35:05 -0800

Very fucking nice. I'm glad memo MeTa-mentioned you.

By: Rykey

Rykey — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:23:20 -0800

I like this. Thanks.

By: man vs sun

man vs sun — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:57:11 -0800

_{finally got around to listening to this.}
It's like a sonic enema. I don't feel backed-up anymore.

The sensation I get during the brief periods of silence is one I love every time it happens.