Comments on: Surprisingly, I'm really bummed out with his passing...A Michael Jackson post for Music Talk..

Surprisingly, I'm really bummed out with his passing...A Michael Jackson post for Music Talk..

snsranch — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:12:26 -0800

How did Michael Jackson effect your life and music?

Prior to his huge break with the album Off the Wall in '79, I lived in a very non-whitey 'hood and couldn't even shoot hoops with the local kids. (Because I was white, and therefore couldn't possibly shoot friggin' hoops.) For me, MJ created a bridge. A bridge from the '70s into the future. He made music that transcended class, culture and race. By '83 it wasn't a big deal for me to be shooting hoops with the "bros", and the song banging out from a giant Sony boombox was Don't Stop 'Til you Get Enough. As MJ was hitting his stride with Thriller, I was hitting my stride too, as a young man. Human Nature played in the background during my very first embrace with a beautiful girl.

By: cortex

cortex — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:30:17 -0800

I've never been deeply into his stuff, but having grown up not really getting straight pop when I first started listening to music (growing, ironically, through an early soft-rock period into classic rock and only later into modern rock and pop production as I started really working on my own recording) his stuff was a kind of revelatory touchstone when I got back to it, as I suddenly began to respect how a guy who I never saw sit around with an acoustic guitar was nonetheless a serious fucking force to be reckoned with, compositionally and production-wise.

His lyrics are just pop, competent enough but nothing really stunning about most of them and certainly plenty to knock (really, "the doggone girl is mine"?, though how much of that is McCartney I can't say), but the whole production is so goddam tight that I can hardly bitch. Compared to the Richard Marx and Mariah Carey bullshit I cut my teeth on, there's nothing bad to say about early-80s Jackson.

One of these days I'm going to end up covering Billie Jean. I didn't particularly care for the Chris Cornell cover of it that got linked in the obit thread on the blue—it felt like cardboard-cutout Chris Cornell Has A Slow, Middling Wank type stuff to me—and I'd hope that once I get around it it'll be a bit more spirited and fun than that.

But I suppose there will be a lot of MJ tribute stuff over the next twelve months.

By: dagosto

dagosto — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:33:29 -0800

Billie Jean was one of the songs every party bands (including my dad's) played when I was little. Captain EO was an experience at age 8 or so for me. In my formative years and beyond he never really interested me... but I still grew up with his music and image all over the place.

I went to a producer/engineer panel discussion for the Grammy's featuring John Nevison (The Who, Led Zepplin), Mike Clint (GNR, Mötley Crüe), and Keith Olsen (Fleetwood Mac, Greatful Dead) on the day of his death not hours after it was announced. Not a mention or whisper of it during the event.

Although it was an illuminating experience the theme of shiftless profiting off of the artist was still abundantly clear without even a pretense to hide it. MJ was surely a mechanism of this business and it most likely led to most of his hardships. The impending death of the music industry is truly something I can anticipate with hope.

By: Corduroy

Corduroy — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:41:33 -0800

But I suppose there will be a lot of MJ tribute stuff over the next twelve months.

This most assuredly will be an unofficial challenge. I can already feel myself going through my first Michael Jackson phase.

I only knew the punchline Michael Jackson. And that at his big trial (or one of them?), there was a girl with a cage full of doves. As each acquittal was being read, she joyfully released a dove into the world. Not an easy level to reach for your fan base, for sure.

By: flapjax at midnite

flapjax at midnite — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:53:53 -0800

...but the whole production is so goddam tight that I can hardly bitch.

Two words: Quincy Jones.

By: MajorDundee

MajorDundee — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:01:04 -0800

Me too. I listened to a couple of his albums Friday night (in between watching Glastonbury on TV) and felt genuine sadness. MJ wasn't in my "top ten", but there were certain tracks that simply blew me away. On "Off The Wall" there is a cover of Stevie Wonder's "I Can't Help It" that is really quite sublime - I love that track. And the arpeggio parts of "Human Nature" never fail to send shivers down my spine. Flapjax is right to say "two words: Quincy Jones" - the production on these albums is to die for - sounds weird, but there's a three-dimensionality to them, you feel like you can almost dive in and swim around. Listen to the little percussion fills at the start of "I Can't Help it" - like little golden drops of honey. And then a synth just gracefully climbs heavenward, and the track takes off. Truly beautiful. As to MJ's pre-Quincy stuff check out "Looking Through The Windows" from the early '70s Motown period - it really kicks ass, great production of a really good song. RIP MJ - you're better off out of it. Justs shows what the music business does to those who haven't got an alligator skin. It's truly fucking horrible. I'm glad I got out when I did - I'd have been in a box years ago otherwise.

By: askmeaboutLOOM

askmeaboutLOOM — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:56:45 -0800

But I suppose there will be a lot of MJ tribute stuff over the next twelve months.

Absolutely. I'm piecing together an ethereal, ambient-ish cover of Smooth Criminal, as we speak.

By: dagosto

dagosto — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:36:47 -0800

Yeah, I think July will be the unofficial month of MJ covers. RIP

By: flapjax at midnite

flapjax at midnite — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 01:33:05 -0800

I'm piecing together an ethereal, ambient-ish cover of Smooth Criminal, as we speak.

Yeah, I think July will be the unofficial month of MJ covers.

Hmm... I've got a list set to unveil tomorrow, said list being Velvet Underground and Nico cover song assignments for the July MeFiMu Challenge. BUT, given the unexpected nature of recent events... quick last-minute question to throw out:

SHOULD JULY IT BE MJ COVERS INSTEAD? That is, officially? And leave VU & N for August?

Your humble MeFiMu Challenge Coordinator would love to hear your opinions on this. And pronto.

By: cortex

cortex — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:43:45 -0800

No, let's power on ahead. MJ will still be dead in another month.

By: chococat

chococat — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:52:06 -0800

I almost did one the night he died but I was so tired. Now I don't know if I will because I'm getting Jackson fatigue already.

By: mexican

mexican — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:42:54 -0800

why not velvet underground & nico covers in the style of Motown Jackson 5, Quincy Jones, or Teddy Riley? 2 birds with 1 stone?

By: micayetoca

micayetoca — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:39:34 -0800

No, let's power on ahead. MJ will still be dead in another month.
posted by cortex

Careful with the predictions, the first time I heard a phrase like this was "MJ will still be black in another month"

By: MajorDundee

MajorDundee — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:51:41 -0800

Agree with cortex. Can't really see myself getting up for MJ covers. In a macabre twist, I guess we could broaden it out at some point and have a month of DRS covers (Dead Rock Stars). Morrison, Hendrix, etc etc. Naturally, we will approach Stiff Records to see if they're interested in releasing the results (cue Vincent Price-style reverb-drenched cackle)

By: flapjax at midnite

flapjax at midnite — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:29:46 -0800

Can't really see myself getting up for MJ covers.

Speaking personally, neither can I. Just thought I'd bring it up, though, since it was mentioned a coupla times. For all I knew, there was a groundswell of interest suddenly brewing among MeFi Musicers to do MJ covers, and if so, I'd be happy to help that along and make it an Official Challenge, even though I personally have little to no interest in any of MJ's music after, say, "I Want You Back". And I certainly wouldn't touch (as a cover) any of that Motown Jackson 5 stuff with a 10 foot pole, unless I could a) trade my voice in for another, and b) raise James Jamerson (and that Motown tambourine player) from the dead. Otherwise, there'd be no point.

By: snsranch

snsranch — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:00:07 -0800

Hey, thanks for the great thread of comments!

That's exactly why I posted this. I hoped to read some intelligent commentary on the subject and be done with it.

Forgive me for saying this, but ultimately, from what I understand and from reading your comments, the MJ phenomenon, was really as much a managerie as his "Neverland" was.

cortex; plenty to knock (really, "the doggone girl is mine"?)

flapjax; Two words: Quincy Jones.

MajorDundee; Justs shows what the music business does to those who haven't got an alligator skin.

MJ influenced me more in a cultural way than a musical one. You can laugh if you want, but prior to my being inundated by MJ on the radio (which opened my eyes and ears), I really thought that the Doobie Brothers and Chicago were "black" guys. Yep.

By: flapjax at midnite

flapjax at midnite — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:27:07 -0800

I really thought that the Doobie Brothers and Chicago were "black" guys.

Haha! Well, the Doobs, they did have that one black guy... They must've been kinda bummed, though, when George Clinton put this in a P.Funk song:

"Well, allright! Hey I was diggin' on y'all's funk for awhile.
Sounds like it got a three on it though, to me.
Then I was down south and I heard some funk with some main ingredients,
Like Doobie Brothers, Blue Magic, David Bowie...
It was cool...
But can you imagine doobie in your funk? Ho!"

-The Bomb

Hey, you know, let's stop by and hear George & Co., in fine form here circa 1976.

By: snsranch

snsranch — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:28:56 -0800

flapjax, hell yea, and exactly! Coming from some really white-bread stuff (really white upbringing, heh, I was just a stupid kid.)...I did end up kicken' with (not literally) the likes of George & Co, James Brown, and eventually Coltrane and Miles Davis.

By: MajorDundee

MajorDundee — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:43:06 -0800

Ahhh The Doobies. As I kid growing up in rain-swept Glasgow (Scotland), The Doobies were my band. I adored them - I wore The Captain And Me out and learned all the songs. Did the same with Toulouse Street and What Were Once Vices. All my friends were into crap like Deep Purple and Uriah Heep (lumpen Brit "heavy rock" bands - I hated them) but the sunshine of California was a world away and utterly, beguilingly cool. Still love 'em, I'm not ashamed to say. Oh, and the black bass player was Mr Tiran Porter. An excellent bassist with a lovely melodic gift (check out his lines on "Natural Thing").

By: flapjax at midnite

flapjax at midnite — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:28:11 -0800

I hear you Dundee, I'll take the Doobies over Deep Purple and Uriah Heep just about any old day of the week.

I tell ya, though, their percussionist lost all credibility when he played the congas with big fat mallets in this clip... Part of the reason, I'd say, that Long Train Running and other tunes of theirs were, unfortunately, more leaden in the 'feel' department than they should've been. George Clinton was right: their funk had a three in it. I've always wanted to like the Doobies more than I do.

Doobie doobie dooo...

hey, who let Sinatra in here?

By: MajorDundee

MajorDundee — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:04:58 -0800

Flapjax - I love that "their funk had a three in it" - never heard that before and it's a brilliant way of describing cack-handed funk. Made me laugh out loud! But, hey, can't agree re the Doobies my friend. They weren't an out-and-out funk band, so it's an unfair comparison. Bet they would have agreed with that. Shit......we're back on the artifically flavoured jazz-lite riff.........

Idea - we should post some musicians jokes on here. Here's a couple of golden oldies for starters:

Q. What the difference between the James Last Orchestra and a bull?

A. The bull has the horns at the front and the arsehole at the back.

Q. What do you call a guy who hangs around with musicians

A. A bass player.

By: flapjax at midnite

flapjax at midnite — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:30:41 -0800

How do you know if the drum riser is level?
Drummer drools out of both sides of his mouth.

How do you get an electric guitarist to turn down?
Put some music in front of him.

sorry, those are both ancient and I'm sure everybody's heard 'em already...

By: snsranch

snsranch — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:45:51 -0800

Yea! All oldies but goodies!

How do you get an electric guitarist to turn down?

Ha, that one ALWAYS shuts ME up!

Good show you two. Now;

Q: How can you tell if flapjax and MajorDundee are full of shit?

A: You don't, they're ALWAYS full of shit!!!

Hardy har har!!!!

By: snsranch

snsranch — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:17:56 -0800

(I was just kidding...don't punch me in the arm or anything!)

By: MajorDundee

MajorDundee — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:12:09 -0800

We promise not to punch you in the arm snsranch. Primarily because when we've finished with you you will be minus all appendiges. Bit like kids pulling the legs off a spider - huh Flapjax? As an officer and a gentleman, I naturally offer you first go.

By: mexican

mexican — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:51:05 -0800

Flapjax, I was getting all ready to defend the guy guy playing congas with mallets - more than one way to do it and all - but man what an awful sound. So I'll fall back to plan B where I say "I saw 2 drummers in the video but you'll have to point out the percussionist for me."

By: flapjax at midnite

flapjax at midnite — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 04:42:54 -0800

...more than one way to do it and all ...

I hear you, mexican, and I'm ordinarily not some sort of rigid dogmatist on playing techniques. Far from it actually, but as you discovered... awful sound. As far as plan B... the percussionist played the congas. With mallets.

By: Jon_Evil

Jon_Evil — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:17:40 -0800

q. what's the definition of a minor 2nd?
a. two piccolos playing in unison

q. what's the difference between a saxophone and a lawnmower
a. the lawnmower has vibrato

q. how can you tell which kid on the playground is destined to be a trombonist?
a. the one who likes to play on the slide, but can't swing

and, somewhat apologetically:

q. how does michael jackson pick his nose?
a. from a catalogue

anyway, I'm not ashamed to say that I loved michael jackson, and he influenced the way I make music, and even the way I dance (I can't dance...), in ways both overt and sublime. expect a cover of "I Want You Back" next week sometime.

By: freya_lamb

freya_lamb — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:18:21 -0800

Shame it all went so very wrong. Dodgy lyrics aside I do think the man - as a performer - was pretty astonishing pre-1990. I just saw some concert footage from the Bad tour and it was jaw-dropping stuff. I'd be up for a cover.

Although, Dead Rocks Stars is a genius challenge. Either way...

By: Jon_Evil

Jon_Evil — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:32:43 -0800

Oh! I almost forgot!

q. what has seven arms and sucks?
a. def leppard